If you need to replace the engine mounts on your Perkins 4-108, here\u2019s the simple answer:\u00a0 use Bushings Inc. DF 2207-2 mounts. Now, it was a lot of work to figure this out, so I am going to give the long answer too.<\/p>\n
To know which mounts to purchase as replacements, you need to know the following dimensions:<\/p>\n
– the separation between the bolts that hold the mount to the engine bed. We measured 4 inches.<\/p>\n
– the diameter of the stud on the engine mount \u2013 we measured 5\/8″ inch<\/p>\n
– the weight of the engine plus gearbox. The Perkins manual says that with a hydraulic gearbox (which the TMP12000 is), the engine + gearbox is 570 lbs.<\/p>\n
– the clearance between the engine bed and engine bracket when the shaft is properly aligned. To approximate this, we measured this distance with the current ancient, decrepit\u00a0 mounts, and got 2.25\u201d (with the aft starboard mount at 2\u201d). This is the measurement that caused the problems because most modern snazzy mounts that meet all other criteria have a minimum clearance of 2.75\u201d or more. Our dilemma was – we knew the engine was badly misaligned with the shaft (it was too low, but horizontal alignment was good), and we know the Nic 38 has those amazing flexible couplers, so could we get away with using something snazzy that has a higher minimum clearance?<\/p>\n
(A little aside about those Nic 38 flexible couplers – after much internet searching, I discovered they are Silentbloc couplers, and you reportedly can still buy replacement parts from Thamesway Marine. The sides of the rubber bushings will have a number marked on them, and you\u2019ll need that to get the correct parts. But those replacement parts might cost as much as a new modern \u201cflexible\u201d coupler. The benefit of the newer \u201cflexible\u201d couplers is that they are designed to fail before your expensive gearbox is damaged by, for example something wrapped around the prop, while the Silentbloc will gladly hold on until your gearbox is trashed. Newer \u201cflexible\u201d couplers are about vibration isolation, they do not mean you can have bad engine:shaft alignment. The R&D Marine rep told me their \u201cflexible\u201d coupler requires alignment accuracy to 0.010\u201d. The SilentBloc couplers allow your alignment to be WAY out, maybe as much as an inch!)<\/p>\n
Eventually, we decided the prudent thing to do was to buy engine mounts that would allow us to have accurate engine alignment so that there is less wear on everything, and in the event our Silentbloc couplers rust away or otherwise fail, we can swap to a modern flexible coupler and not have to change our engine mounts at the same time.<\/p>\n
Here\u2019s the engine mounts we considered:<\/p>\n
– Barr 80001 was used on some Perkins 4-108 installations, and it is still available for an amazingly low $20 each. These have a minimum clearance of 2.6875\u201d. I deemed these too high of clearance, and too cheap for quality.<\/p>\n
– R&D Marine sells \u201cSupermount\u201d\u00a0 800-010. Cost ~$85 each. The helpful R&D Marine rep said the 800-010 is their only mount that is suitable for the Perkins 4-108. Minimum clearance \u2013 3.05\u201d if you use the 0.55\u201d adjusting nut supplied with the mount. The rep said we could use a half nut (thickness 0.375\u201d) or no nut and instead use shims for alignment. This was my favorite choice because of the failsafe design that survives rollover tests,and the price for a quality mount \u2013 but I was not willing to take the risk of having the minimum clearance be so far from our current measurement.<\/p>\n
– Polyflex of Australia is distributed by Thermoboat in North America and that rep told me with the Perkins 4-108, he would not warranty any installation unless it used the P4.5CTF60-15-16. Cost $150 each. OUCH! And the minimum clearance is about 2.8\u201d. No good.<\/p>\n
– Globe makes some funky rubber mounts that require wedges for alignment. The cost was high, more than $100 each – I forget the details. They seemed too \u201cout-of-the-box\u201d to me, and the bolt pattern was slightly off 4\u201d centers.<\/p>\n
– Vetus doesn\u2019t make any mounts with a 4\u201d center.<\/p>\n
– That leaves the Bushings Inc DF2207-2 mounts. Minimum clearance 2.375\u201d \u2013 that’s much closer to our current 2.25″ measurement – good! Cost about $43 each. They make no claims of a failsafe design, so I really wanted to try something better \u2013 but I could find nothing else with this low of clearance that met all the other specs. I called for advice from the local Perkins experts \u2013 Stewarts Marine in Seattle \u2013\u00a0 and the parts expert gruffly told me \u2013 use the Bushings mounts. That\u2019s it then, we\u2019ll use them. They were in stock locally anyway.<\/p>\n
Now \u2013 weeks passed before I got to that decision. I hope others find this useful (or maybe we\u2019ll find it useful in 10 years when it\u2019s time to replace the mounts again.)<\/p>\n
Replacing the mounts turned out to be MUCH simpler than we thought, so Van did it himself in about 8 hours. I\u2019m sure a professional mechanic with better tools could do it faster, but we got luck so we can keep our boat-buck for something else. Here\u2019s the tricks for the DIYer:<\/p>\n
– Both the aft and front mounts are attached to brackets that are attached to the engine. Remove the bolts that hold those brackets to the engine, unbolt the mounts from the engine bed, and get the bracket plus mount out as an assembly. This means you don\u2019t have to jack the engine up a few inches\u00a0 to clear the mount stud, so you don\u2019t have to disconnect anything like the exhaust or prop shaft. This is a huge time saving, and avoids the likely trickledown effect that happens whenever you start mucking with stuff.<\/p>\n
– Support one end of the engine and remove one mount at a time. Van did this by putting a robust weight lifting bar spanning the two cabin companion ways, with truckers ratcheting straps to pull the engine up just a 1\/4\u201d or so. Check the load limit on these straps\u2013 he used 2 for redundancy. He hoisted the engine just enough to take the force off those brackets. Do not hoist too far if when using these ratcheting straps \u2013 there is no way to let the engine down gently. You just have to release the strap and *bang* down she goes.<\/p>\n
– The absolute hardest part of the job was getting to the nuts under the engine bed on the aft starboard mount. It\u2019s pretty tight back there in the Nic 38 engine room, and you can only get at it from the top. Getting these 2 nuts off took more time than anything (a couple hours). They were not seized \u2013thankfully Camper & Nicholsons used quality fasteners and anti-seize, so all fasteners came off with reasonable force \u2013 once Van could get his arm into position. He was so glad that C&N didn\u2019t use cheap steel that had rusted stuck in the 38 years since these have been touched. All fasteners looked great, and he re-used them all!<\/p>\n
– The only nut that was rusted in place was on the engine mount stud, but since it\u2019s possible to remove the engine mount and bracket as an assembly, he could cut off this stud without having to do boat yoga at the same time.<\/p>\n
– Van did notice that the engine bed fiberglass has had a indent in that is the shape of the previous mount\u2019s footprint, presumably from the original mounts vibrating in place for 38 years. This meant the new mounts went back into the same rotational position.<\/p>\n
Once the new mounts were installed with the adjustment nuts all the way down the stud, amazingly no alignment fiddling was required. The as-installed minimum clearance was spot on! So \u2013the correct clearance was about 2.375\u201d, and the Stewarts Marine parts expert was right \u2013 just use the Bushings mounts.<\/p>\n
We took the boat out for a short trial, and the vibration is much less. HURRAH!!<\/p>\n
A word about how we measured alignment \u2013 just how do you do that when you have such flexible couplers? Clever Van built himself a simple laser pointer holder jig that could be attached to the stuffing box side of the aft coupler, and point at the coupler at the gearbox (or vice versa). When he rotated the shaft by hand, if the couplers accommodated any misalignment, the laser dot would not stay pointing at the same position on the other coupler face. Some pictures below show this jig, and the dot.<\/p>\n
And finally, we were warned by another sailor – tighten the lock nuts down very tight so the adjustment nuts do not back down due to vibration. On his boat, he tried to turn the prop by hand one day, and discovered he could not. With some sleuthing, he figured out that the alignment nuts had backed off, and the engine weight no longer supported by the mounts – it was being supported by the shaft, exhaust manifold, whatever else connects to the engine is not flexible enough to accomodate very bad misalignment. YIKES!<\/p>\n
A note about how to view photos in the gallery below \u2013 if you can only see the photo title and not the description, click the I button to toggle the description field open and closed.<\/p>\n\n\t\t